At one time somebody was probably protesting the power lines you see in this photo. Somebody was protesting the logging that had to be done in order to create the roads and pasture land you see. I could just as easily say that this farm is in fact what destroyed the beautiful wilderness. To thrive we need progress though. This farm had to be created to provide people with food and jobs just like a pipeline needs to be created to transport the fuel this country needs to thrive and stop our dependence on foreign oil. People seldom seem to have a problem reaping the benefits from somebody else's backyard getting dug up, but when it's their turn to make a sacrifice in the name of progress, people throw a hissy fit. The coal and oil we use to fuel our farms, cars and homes came at the expense of somebody else's backyard. Would the same people who protest this pipeline be willing to give up the gas guzzling trucks, tractors and other farm equipment they need to operate? Unless you're willing start using horses and oxen to plow your fields and bail your hay, then complaining about this makes you a hypocrite. Nobody wants to see nature tainted and we all hope for better energy solutions in the future, but we need to use the resources we have now to create the energy technology of the future. The fuel we need to thrive has to come from somewhere and be transported somehow. Sacrifices need to be made, so unless you want to completely give up gas and electric and live like an amish person or caveman, people need to accept that they can't have their cake and eat it too.
You have a point but a person should not be forced to have a pipe line on their property. Eminent domain was created for wartime and National Security not Pipelines. As far as energy use the real issue is how many people there are in the world. No amount of drilling or mining will ever change that sooner or later they won't be enough for everyone. I'm sure if it was your property you might feel somewhat different. But again you might not care. Some people are not influenced by money or power only principal and morals. Rare traits in these days.
I don't completely agree with eminent domain if a person would be forced to lose their property and move, but that is not the case with this pipeline. They are only asking for a right of way and they pay will pay a fair price for the amount of land they need. It's still your land. After it's buried, the land will look normal and be useable again other than an access pipe sticking out of the ground at every mile, but that is a lot less of an eye sore than having power poles every 100 feet and we tolerate that. This is absolutely no different than giving the power company a right of way to run power lines, but I don't hear anybody complaining about having affordable electricity in their homes.
We have alternative energy when fossil fuels run out, but nobody wants a wind turbine in their backyard either and nobody wants to shell out the money for solar cells. Coal and gas are just the absolute cheapest. I think there may be a few people in the county that actually live "off the grid", but for the rest of us, we all want to drive cars and use the internet, but nobody wants to make the sacrifices it takes to create and use such technology. You're right, it's about principles. Nobody has them. The people complaining about this pipeline aren't driving horse and buggies, now are they? And if the pipeline would have to go through my property, I'd sell a right of way in a heart beat for a fair price.
When a girl and you can complain until then the owner of the land has a right to complain. If it was yours you might feel different. The Road Runner...
The land owner does have every right to complain, but as I said, unless they are plowing their fields with oxen, they're hypocrites if they do. Where do people think the gas we need to run our cars, trucks and farm equipment comes from? It's not out of thin air. Chances are many of the same people complaining about the pipeline also complain when gas prices go up a nickle. People want cheap gas, but don't want to help transport it through the county. People want to reap the benefits, but not get their own hands dirty. That's called hypocrisy.
No it in no way makes them a hypocrite. Its not your land it belongs to them. It matters not if they use oxen to plow or a 737 jet. The land belongs to them.most farmers get their hands dirty in case you dibt notice. Do you grow your food and raise cattle in your back yard and frobt yard. I vet you go to a super market. That must make you a hypocrite.
I think your talking about gasoline to run cars. I think the pipeline is a natural gas pipe line. Perhaps some farmers dont want the danger of a explosion on their property Orefield being cut in half where they can no longer plow and farm with ease. Perhaps they do not like others comming in and telling them what to do with their land.
I was referring to natural resources in general. They all take a sacrifice to obtain. You both make an excellent point and have totally opened my eyes though. I'm a changed person. Now I'm off to go sharpen my axe. I have some unsightly power poles running through my field that needs chopped down. Even though it will knock out electricity and telephones for thousands of people, those poles are on my land and nobody will tell me what to do with it. Where can I rent a jack hammer while I’m at it? I’ll take care of that pesky road too. Fifteen foot right of way on my property my ***! It’s my land and my great great gran pappy killed those injuns fair and square to take it. Oh sure, that road helps dozens of people drive to work every day, but fifteen feet of it is on my property dang it and I'm not giving any right of way up for the good of the people! Everyone for themselves, right? Thanks for the warning about dangerous explosions too. I'm getting rid of my propane tank immediately. That's just a ticking time bomb waiting to blow up!
Go to the Marlinton FERC meeting today in the Wellness center (next to the Elementary School) , Friday 20 May,to express your opposition
ReplyDeleteAt one time somebody was probably protesting the power lines you see in this photo. Somebody was protesting the logging that had to be done in order to create the roads and pasture land you see. I could just as easily say that this farm is in fact what destroyed the beautiful wilderness. To thrive we need progress though. This farm had to be created to provide people with food and jobs just like a pipeline needs to be created to transport the fuel this country needs to thrive and stop our dependence on foreign oil. People seldom seem to have a problem reaping the benefits from somebody else's backyard getting dug up, but when it's their turn to make a sacrifice in the name of progress, people throw a hissy fit. The coal and oil we use to fuel our farms, cars and homes came at the expense of somebody else's backyard. Would the same people who protest this pipeline be willing to give up the gas guzzling trucks, tractors and other farm equipment they need to operate? Unless you're willing start using horses and oxen to plow your fields and bail your hay, then complaining about this makes you a hypocrite. Nobody wants to see nature tainted and we all hope for better energy solutions in the future, but we need to use the resources we have now to create the energy technology of the future. The fuel we need to thrive has to come from somewhere and be transported somehow. Sacrifices need to be made, so unless you want to completely give up gas and electric and live like an amish person or caveman, people need to accept that they can't have their cake and eat it too.
ReplyDeleteYou have a point but a person should not be forced to have a pipe line on their property. Eminent domain was created for wartime and National Security not Pipelines. As far as energy use the real issue is how many people there are in the world. No amount of drilling or mining will ever change that sooner or later they won't be enough for everyone.
DeleteI'm sure if it was your property you might feel somewhat different. But again you might not care. Some people are not influenced by money or power only principal and morals.
Rare traits in these days.
I don't completely agree with eminent domain if a person would be forced to lose their property and move, but that is not the case with this pipeline. They are only asking for a right of way and they pay will pay a fair price for the amount of land they need. It's still your land. After it's buried, the land will look normal and be useable again other than an access pipe sticking out of the ground at every mile, but that is a lot less of an eye sore than having power poles every 100 feet and we tolerate that. This is absolutely no different than giving the power company a right of way to run power lines, but I don't hear anybody complaining about having affordable electricity in their homes.
DeleteWe have alternative energy when fossil fuels run out, but nobody wants a wind turbine in their backyard either and nobody wants to shell out the money for solar cells. Coal and gas are just the absolute cheapest. I think there may be a few people in the county that actually live "off the grid", but for the rest of us, we all want to drive cars and use the internet, but nobody wants to make the sacrifices it takes to create and use such technology. You're right, it's about principles. Nobody has them. The people complaining about this pipeline aren't driving horse and buggies, now are they? And if the pipeline would have to go through my property, I'd sell a right of way in a heart beat for a fair price.
When a girl and you can complain until then the owner of the land has a right to complain.
ReplyDeleteIf it was yours you might feel different.
The Road Runner...
The land owner does have every right to complain, but as I said, unless they are plowing their fields with oxen, they're hypocrites if they do. Where do people think the gas we need to run our cars, trucks and farm equipment comes from? It's not out of thin air. Chances are many of the same people complaining about the pipeline also complain when gas prices go up a nickle. People want cheap gas, but don't want to help transport it through the county. People want to reap the benefits, but not get their own hands dirty. That's called hypocrisy.
DeleteNo it in no way makes them a hypocrite.
ReplyDeleteIts not your land it belongs to them. It matters not if they use oxen to plow or a 737 jet.
The land belongs to them.most farmers get their hands dirty in case you dibt notice. Do you grow your food and raise cattle in your back yard and frobt yard. I vet you go to a super market. That must make you a hypocrite.
I think your talking about gasoline to run cars.
ReplyDeleteI think the pipeline is a natural gas pipe line.
Perhaps some farmers dont want the danger of a explosion on their property Orefield being cut in half where they can no longer plow and farm with ease.
Perhaps they do not like others comming in and telling them what to do with their land.
The Road Runner...
I was referring to natural resources in general. They all take a sacrifice to obtain. You both make an excellent point and have totally opened my eyes though. I'm a changed person. Now I'm off to go sharpen my axe. I have some unsightly power poles running through my field that needs chopped down. Even though it will knock out electricity and telephones for thousands of people, those poles are on my land and nobody will tell me what to do with it. Where can I rent a jack hammer while I’m at it? I’ll take care of that pesky road too. Fifteen foot right of way on my property my ***! It’s my land and my great great gran pappy killed those injuns fair and square to take it. Oh sure, that road helps dozens of people drive to work every day, but fifteen feet of it is on my property dang it and I'm not giving any right of way up for the good of the people! Everyone for themselves, right? Thanks for the warning about dangerous explosions too. I'm getting rid of my propane tank immediately. That's just a ticking time bomb waiting to blow up!
ReplyDelete